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Fun server spy issues
Normally i don't talk about stuff like this but i really want to get this out of my chest.
Everybody knows that admins need to keep the server going, and with that they need to listen other players and try to outcome problems that kills the fun. But when some players goes selfish then it will be hard for both sides and the admins.
As an admin, Aeryn asked me and some other spies if we can stop playing the class for some time or just go to the different teams
and try to balance the teams. She asked this couple of times so i know that we cause some frustration in the fun server. I understand
that sometimes it gets frustrating to deal with 2 spies that knows what they are doing but what these players don't realize is like them we can die too. Weird right? Im sure you guys know there can be 4 pyros in a single team, and in thg community there are lots of good pyros. Especially when they get in the same team, those pyros give us the same frustration that you guys get. But we never got selfish and asked aeryn if she can talk with literally every good pyro in thg. So please don't act selfish and put aeryn in situations like this.
Thanks
Everybody knows that admins need to keep the server going, and with that they need to listen other players and try to outcome problems that kills the fun. But when some players goes selfish then it will be hard for both sides and the admins.
As an admin, Aeryn asked me and some other spies if we can stop playing the class for some time or just go to the different teams
and try to balance the teams. She asked this couple of times so i know that we cause some frustration in the fun server. I understand
that sometimes it gets frustrating to deal with 2 spies that knows what they are doing but what these players don't realize is like them we can die too. Weird right? Im sure you guys know there can be 4 pyros in a single team, and in thg community there are lots of good pyros. Especially when they get in the same team, those pyros give us the same frustration that you guys get. But we never got selfish and asked aeryn if she can talk with literally every good pyro in thg. So please don't act selfish and put aeryn in situations like this.
Thanks
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What the hell are you on about?? Listen to Aeryn and rethink what you are doing to the server. I personly don't mind spies, liash is hands down an amazing spy, Klown, Reblash, whatever, just bullies. Taking advantage of most of the server playing without a care in the world and not spychecking at all. I have dedicated time just to help them have a better experience and kill the spies, but still, because of the obliviousness to spies, the constant rehealing with Kunai makes it almost impossible to take down the DR/Kunai spies that yes, abuses the situation.
Come to #2? We pay much more attention to spies, it improves you pubstomping spies that litterally dont use disguises/surrounderings/guns but just jump at new players 4 times with 200 hp till you finnally hit a "tricksstab"
Sure, #2 players gets frustrated by spies as well, but when Snipers like Richard, Olshi, Freeflow and such go on fire, spies is the best counter and a nessesary part of the game.
Anyway, my frustration comes from watching my friends leave the server early or rage quit in frustration. The sole reason to play on #1 is to enjoy the casual friendship. Watching them feeling miserable about playing and constantly dying to spies, is making me sad.
Yes, Spies are very much killable, all in all, not an OP class IMO. However, go to a pub server if you just wanna rack up kills, not #1. Come to #2 if you seriously actually acknowledges yourself as "Spies who know what they are doing".
Sorry for long rant, but I am absolutely furious to see my friends feeling so bad, in a game that has become a refined good time which THG servers are. It is litterally just a few selfish people ruining it for a lot, less skilled players who enjoy the community, not the competition.
For the third time, come to #2, i'll glad take you spies on my self ^^
Come to #2? We pay much more attention to spies, it improves you pubstomping spies that litterally dont use disguises/surrounderings/guns but just jump at new players 4 times with 200 hp till you finnally hit a "tricksstab"
Sure, #2 players gets frustrated by spies as well, but when Snipers like Richard, Olshi, Freeflow and such go on fire, spies is the best counter and a nessesary part of the game.
Anyway, my frustration comes from watching my friends leave the server early or rage quit in frustration. The sole reason to play on #1 is to enjoy the casual friendship. Watching them feeling miserable about playing and constantly dying to spies, is making me sad.
Yes, Spies are very much killable, all in all, not an OP class IMO. However, go to a pub server if you just wanna rack up kills, not #1. Come to #2 if you seriously actually acknowledges yourself as "Spies who know what they are doing".
Sorry for long rant, but I am absolutely furious to see my friends feeling so bad, in a game that has become a refined good time which THG servers are. It is litterally just a few selfish people ruining it for a lot, less skilled players who enjoy the community, not the competition.
For the third time, come to #2, i'll glad take you spies on my self ^^
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@Fnif
You didn't get my point at all, in fact when you said "bullies taking advantage of the server" it cringed me so hard. My point here is not trying to say im a good spy by frustrating the fun server, but some people are getting mad over spies but we don't get mad over pyros. Do you really think that reserve shooter or phlog pyros are not abusing the situation? If no, then you're being selfish. I never felt sad over my spy friends getting wreckd by 3 blast pyros, there are counters to everything in this game and you do know there is no bad pyros in thg. And yes, they do spycheck. Also when you said "it improves you pubstomping spies" dude.. Do you really think that teamwork server is not a pub? I was only playing in teamwork in the old times and i did "take advantage!" of the teamwork server when i was there. You can check my older videos, it was pretty much the same with the fun server. The only difference in the teamwork server for me is there are more spam classes, 6s maps. These are my honest and true thoughts about it as a spy main, sorry if this triggers you.
@Olshi
Yes i was playing comp but the reason i stopped playing it is the same reason i don't go to teamwork server anymore. You guys have fun trying to win the game, trying their hardest to win and that is the way how you guys have fun in the game. For me its pretty much the opposite and that is playing knife spy carelessly trickstabbing. Also one of the main reasons i play in thg is there are quality custom maps. Far as i see in teamwork server you guys play 6s maps most of the time, and that is boring for me as a spy. If you are thinking the same with fnif that i cannot play on teamwork, again check my older videos. There is not much difference.
"I have dedicated time just to help them have a better experience and kill the spies"
Being honest again, don't spend your time to give them experience. Im playing here around 6 months and what i saw from you is you have the same skill with those #1 players you see as noobs, the only difference is they are playing for fun and you're trying your hardest to counter spies.
Peace
You didn't get my point at all, in fact when you said "bullies taking advantage of the server" it cringed me so hard. My point here is not trying to say im a good spy by frustrating the fun server, but some people are getting mad over spies but we don't get mad over pyros. Do you really think that reserve shooter or phlog pyros are not abusing the situation? If no, then you're being selfish. I never felt sad over my spy friends getting wreckd by 3 blast pyros, there are counters to everything in this game and you do know there is no bad pyros in thg. And yes, they do spycheck. Also when you said "it improves you pubstomping spies" dude.. Do you really think that teamwork server is not a pub? I was only playing in teamwork in the old times and i did "take advantage!" of the teamwork server when i was there. You can check my older videos, it was pretty much the same with the fun server. The only difference in the teamwork server for me is there are more spam classes, 6s maps. These are my honest and true thoughts about it as a spy main, sorry if this triggers you.
@Olshi
Yes i was playing comp but the reason i stopped playing it is the same reason i don't go to teamwork server anymore. You guys have fun trying to win the game, trying their hardest to win and that is the way how you guys have fun in the game. For me its pretty much the opposite and that is playing knife spy carelessly trickstabbing. Also one of the main reasons i play in thg is there are quality custom maps. Far as i see in teamwork server you guys play 6s maps most of the time, and that is boring for me as a spy. If you are thinking the same with fnif that i cannot play on teamwork, again check my older videos. There is not much difference.
"I have dedicated time just to help them have a better experience and kill the spies"
Being honest again, don't spend your time to give them experience. Im playing here around 6 months and what i saw from you is you have the same skill with those #1 players you see as noobs, the only difference is they are playing for fun and you're trying your hardest to counter spies.
Peace
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The number of kills racked up by DR spies is impressive, but it's fucking lame and unsporting too. I have to agree that 'DR' spies are killing the fun. The classes are sometimes reworked to combat this, but who the hell wants to hunt DR spies, spies who never actually die due to a bullshit game mechanic?
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@klewn, cute that you find urself so good, arrogant as always.
And yes, you are right, first, you have played this game much more than I, and I really dont mind if you are considered the better spy. However we play two different games.
I actually care about my fellow players, on #1 I have come to care more about people having a good time than myself getting those crispy highscores.
This is why I have turned to #2, I like to play spy, as well as other classes. The players on #2 actually appreciate when you get the med pick, as well as make an effort to kill you if you course troubles. Despite this, I always used the DR/Amby/Knife, but since people pointed out that they disliked me using the DR, I have changed and learned to use the Invis watch instead. (For real, thought DR was more fun playing against than Invis watch, but I did take the critisism to me.)
And P.S, whatever videoes you refer to and your arrogant attitude towards me being a tryhard really wont have any effect. My job the past 8 months has been playing videogames for a living, so I have absolutely no problem being considered a tryhard, that is litterally my job, nothing is gonna change there. Since I love playing videogames, and get payed pretty well to do it.
And yes, you are right, first, you have played this game much more than I, and I really dont mind if you are considered the better spy. However we play two different games.
I actually care about my fellow players, on #1 I have come to care more about people having a good time than myself getting those crispy highscores.
This is why I have turned to #2, I like to play spy, as well as other classes. The players on #2 actually appreciate when you get the med pick, as well as make an effort to kill you if you course troubles. Despite this, I always used the DR/Amby/Knife, but since people pointed out that they disliked me using the DR, I have changed and learned to use the Invis watch instead. (For real, thought DR was more fun playing against than Invis watch, but I did take the critisism to me.)
And P.S, whatever videoes you refer to and your arrogant attitude towards me being a tryhard really wont have any effect. My job the past 8 months has been playing videogames for a living, so I have absolutely no problem being considered a tryhard, that is litterally my job, nothing is gonna change there. Since I love playing videogames, and get payed pretty well to do it.
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Firstly, the only reason i talked harsly about your skill is the way you talk about the spies and yourself. Talking like you guys are spy countering elitists will get you critism eventually.
"I have come to care more about people having a good time than myself getting those crispy highscores."
"The players on #2 actually appreciate when you get the med pick"
Do you even thought about saying these 2 at the same time? I already said that i am only playing for fun, in fact getting high scores as a spy is not important and you probably know this. Also with saying people appreciate you in #2, first you say i want people to appreciate me by talking about i play just for scores then you say i should go to #2 then people will appreciate me. I don't need anyone appreciating me for my plays. I already achieved what i want in this game, and now i just want to have fun. About taking the critism, if you do better than other people they will always try to achieve whats easy for them, i've seen this in so many games and ofcourse it can happen in tf2. "Boo, reserve shooter is strong, why pyro exists, i hate wm1, play something else" will never get you anywhere in this game.
Also i don't know what you mean by "playing games for living", are you a streamer?
"I have come to care more about people having a good time than myself getting those crispy highscores."
"The players on #2 actually appreciate when you get the med pick"
Do you even thought about saying these 2 at the same time? I already said that i am only playing for fun, in fact getting high scores as a spy is not important and you probably know this. Also with saying people appreciate you in #2, first you say i want people to appreciate me by talking about i play just for scores then you say i should go to #2 then people will appreciate me. I don't need anyone appreciating me for my plays. I already achieved what i want in this game, and now i just want to have fun. About taking the critism, if you do better than other people they will always try to achieve whats easy for them, i've seen this in so many games and ofcourse it can happen in tf2. "Boo, reserve shooter is strong, why pyro exists, i hate wm1, play something else" will never get you anywhere in this game.
Also i don't know what you mean by "playing games for living", are you a streamer?
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@Klewn
Aeryn does what she can keep everyone happy, You are not on mumble you do not here how fed up everyone gets off having to constantly find and kill and remove two dead ringing spys. We have had discussions of removing the spy limit down to just 1 instead off two to remedy this but instead aeryn has been diplomantic to ask you politely to balance yourself among the other teams. "carelessly trick-stabbing" as you put shows how good you are at the game and the fact you should be on #2 with people more suited to your skills than a server full of people trying to have a relaxing evening.
You have to concede the fact you use a load-out that you use with the patches and updates has become rather with the constant health of the kunai and the escape of the dead ringer. Perhaps if you find yourself so good with these items you should consider changing the load out to something that is less like a crutch.
Aeryn does what she can keep everyone happy, You are not on mumble you do not here how fed up everyone gets off having to constantly find and kill and remove two dead ringing spys. We have had discussions of removing the spy limit down to just 1 instead off two to remedy this but instead aeryn has been diplomantic to ask you politely to balance yourself among the other teams. "carelessly trick-stabbing" as you put shows how good you are at the game and the fact you should be on #2 with people more suited to your skills than a server full of people trying to have a relaxing evening.
You have to concede the fact you use a load-out that you use with the patches and updates has become rather with the constant health of the kunai and the escape of the dead ringer. Perhaps if you find yourself so good with these items you should consider changing the load out to something that is less like a crutch.
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I've played in so many community servers in tf2 but never found a community like thg. Its probably the only community i will feel emotionally sad by leaving off. I can find the fun itself in the #1, but for you guys im never going to join these servers ever again. I really do not understand how you guys under estimate 4 pyros and all those regular players themselves, but it's not going to change. No matter what i do i will be a headache with how i play. Anyways, thanks for the fun times. Just know that every single second i spent in this server was pure fun to me and i never tried to frustrate any part of this community.
Take care, i will miss you.
Take care, i will miss you.
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Re: Fun server spy issues
Post by Heimerdinger »
Well in my opinion the problem is not the spy class but his weapons. The DR and to a lesser extent the Spycicle/Kunai both negate his primary counter, the Pyro.
Its far too easy for a spy to get a backstab then DR and escape when if he was using default he would have died. Or just forget about trying to be sneaky and just go for kills with his revolver/trickstabs.
Ofcourse you can kill a DR spy but it means you have to spend all of your time hunting him. Something people in #1 won't do.
If it were up to me I would disable the DR in #1
P.S. I dunno why Fnif and Klown are mad at each other, but if we want to settle this we can't start insulting each other.
Its far too easy for a spy to get a backstab then DR and escape when if he was using default he would have died. Or just forget about trying to be sneaky and just go for kills with his revolver/trickstabs.
Ofcourse you can kill a DR spy but it means you have to spend all of your time hunting him. Something people in #1 won't do.
If it were up to me I would disable the DR in #1
P.S. I dunno why Fnif and Klown are mad at each other, but if we want to settle this we can't start insulting each other.
Re: Fun server spy issues
On any chance you see this Klewn no one wants you to leave, there are several options open to you that you have not even tried before writing them off
- Spice up your load-out a bit in-till the dead-ringer is hopefully fixed
- Play a other classes more often, I have seen you go solider for a brief round or two but i wont deny but its simply not enough to give others a break from the barrage of trick-stabs and back-stabs. Try committing more to other classes over a series of nights
- #2 is always welcome to have you and as Dav has said in mumble "its not a us and them" they are still THG and as we may make out they aren't some tf2 gods from the dawn of time they are just marginally better and more organized something we have had to pick up in order to counter the surplus of spies
About your pyro issue, although we do have a lot of pyro mains including Steel, Rev and Boris. More pick randoms and regulars pick pyro as a reaction to the constant threat of spy's especially ones that are as hard to rid off as dead ringer.
- Spice up your load-out a bit in-till the dead-ringer is hopefully fixed
- Play a other classes more often, I have seen you go solider for a brief round or two but i wont deny but its simply not enough to give others a break from the barrage of trick-stabs and back-stabs. Try committing more to other classes over a series of nights
- #2 is always welcome to have you and as Dav has said in mumble "its not a us and them" they are still THG and as we may make out they aren't some tf2 gods from the dawn of time they are just marginally better and more organized something we have had to pick up in order to counter the surplus of spies
About your pyro issue, although we do have a lot of pyro mains including Steel, Rev and Boris. More pick randoms and regulars pick pyro as a reaction to the constant threat of spy's especially ones that are as hard to rid off as dead ringer.
Re: Fun server spy issues
You might not even see this post but:
[quote=klewn post_id=51440]
Im sure you guys know there can be 4 pyros in a single team, and in thg community there are lots of good pyros. Especially when they get in the same team,
[/quote]
Ask yourself why this happens. Why do *you* think this situation occurs? Why would FOUR people on a team go pyro? Honestly, what do you think?
Hopefully the answer will help you in the future.
[quote=klewn post_id=51440]
Im sure you guys know there can be 4 pyros in a single team, and in thg community there are lots of good pyros. Especially when they get in the same team,
[/quote]
Ask yourself why this happens. Why do *you* think this situation occurs? Why would FOUR people on a team go pyro? Honestly, what do you think?
Hopefully the answer will help you in the future.
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[quote=Dkz post_id=51452]You might not even see this post but:
[quote=klewn post_id=51440]
Im sure you guys know there can be 4 pyros in a single team, and in thg community there are lots of good pyros. Especially when they get in the same team,
[/quote]
Ask yourself why this happens. Why do *you* think this situation occurs? Why would FOUR people on a team go pyro? Honestly, what do you think?
Hopefully the answer will help you in the future.[/quote]
To be perfectly honest I think the class limit on pyro should be limited down more, possibly 3?
[quote=klewn post_id=51440]
Im sure you guys know there can be 4 pyros in a single team, and in thg community there are lots of good pyros. Especially when they get in the same team,
[/quote]
Ask yourself why this happens. Why do *you* think this situation occurs? Why would FOUR people on a team go pyro? Honestly, what do you think?
Hopefully the answer will help you in the future.[/quote]
To be perfectly honest I think the class limit on pyro should be limited down more, possibly 3?