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#1: No icon Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: carlos PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:51 pm
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Not sure if im really liking tf2 at the mo,ive played it for a long while now but this update seems to have upset the balance some what,or at least for me Sad  sad about the whole thing,i know once things have died down it may complete the balance of what was, I also understand for new people joining the game nothing different which will probably work well for them.
  But for us old lot Smile im not going to complane about the classes as i think each has our views on whats not working,but for me things seem to be spoilt alittle im hanging on to the hope that they haven't but i for 1 really feel they might have naffed up a good funny game.

JUST MY THOUGHT DONT FLAME I KNOW WHAT I CAN DO IF I DONT LIKE IT !

#2: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Pharmacy PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:31 pm
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I can only rage on those new unlocks. Take the direct hit for example; it's a devil's work, it rewards you for the fact that the enemy jumped or was leaping from a ledge with a mini crit. That's lame. Next one, targe and sword. Look at what a monster like Precizion can do with this pair. :nerdrage:. The Targe itself really needs some balancing, sure, it takes sticky launcher slot, but you still have the grenade launcher. It voids 50% of flame damage and 65% of explosives damage and doesn't break (doesn't have any durability) unlike the razorback, sniper's shield protecting him against backstabs, that breaks on a single backstab attempt. Of course i'm not saying that it should be 1 time protection - it should have a meter, let's say, 200HP worth and it would regenerate fully in one minute. Also, you wouldn't be able to recharge it from lockers/ammo boxes/laying weapons. The sword, now that's something that i can endure if it doesn't go in pair with the shield because the enemy has to get close by himself, not using the charge from targe which isn't that easy. Max 210HP and starting 150 sounds balanced, from medic you can go to a little stronger soldier HP-wise by slaying 4 people. Buff Banner is balanced, takes your shotgun slot and provides you with a charging 14 second minicrits AoE power-up, takes some damage to charge it up and launch it. The gunboats, that's a hard one - i really like them the way they are, but i think they should make the usable for horizontal rocket jumps, since now they reduce damage from almost vertical rjs only, you will take the same damage trying to blast off a wall. They could also provide a small resistance to fall damage, but only from own rocket jumps, not from everything. Also, as a pickaxe user i would love to see a damage nerf and a higher hp requirement to get highest possible speed. I'm using it mainly for escaping to a medkit, not for fights.
Q_Q

#3: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Potter PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 8:58 pm
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ye and if u throw 2d1 + 3 - 3 ag u win

#4: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: binksyLocation: UK PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:23 pm
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It will get better m8! I'm sure! "I hope so".

They will nerf stuff if needed give it a while to settle down 1st  Idea  Razz

#5: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: carlos PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:47 pm
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binksy wrote (View Post):
It will get better m8! I'm sure! "I hope so".

They will nerf stuff if needed give it a while to settle down 1st  Idea  Razz

hope so fella not trying to down it like sex if its good why change it lol many a mans downfall not that tf2 turned me on Smile

#6: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Precizion PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:56 pm
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I would say the problem is not with the unlocks, its with everyone wanting to play demo and soldier at the moment. With so many of those two classes it really does show just how powerful they are compared to the other classes. And this is something that will only get worse as players get better with them.

If things don't die down in a week or two and players stick playing those two classes, I'd suggest lowering the class limit to 3 and see how that goes.

As for the unlocks, I don't think they need that much tweaking. Sure, the sword and shield makes you real tough to kill, but you are giving up one of the most powerful weapons in the game. One that you can really dominate the other team with and which allows you to lock down maps like dustbowl, making it almost unplayable. The latter stages of that and Goldrush are actually kind of fun now not so many use that weapon. Too much of a nerf to the new unlocks and youll just see players go back to that and it'll be just another kind of frustration.

I think it's just a matter of getting used to this new way of playing. Imagine if things were in reverse and the sticky launcher was a new unlock. Somewhere like the steam forums would be awash with threads about how insane it is and how its messing with the game.

#7: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Lenty PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:13 am
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Yeah, the direct hit minicritting cos someone jumped or whatever is pretty lame. Airshots are their own reward really!
Hope you start to enjoy it again soon Carlos. Things will settle down, they always do. And Valve listen to the community perhaps a little too much sometimes, so things will get nerfed where nerfs need to be made. (And perhaps powered up in the case of the Soldier's boots. Shotgun is the obvious choice here even if I did have the boots).
As it stands a break can be good every now and then regardless. You either come back enjoying it even more, or realise that playing it a bit less than you do currently would perhaps make you enjoy it even more.

#8: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: verostat PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:24 am
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I agree about the Direct Hit, I don't think you need the mini crit it's still a really solid weapon without. Or rather as have been sugested by some make sure there's a minimum height for it to work.

About the Targe; I'm not sure Targe+Sword isn't really a problem to counter as a soldier (other demomen on the other hand is another thing). The GL+Targe is a mean combination though. I hope that when the class balances settles down somewhat, that scouts+heavys+engies+snipers+etc will eat them up before they reach me Razz

#9: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Potter PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:56 am
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about me im really disapointed about update i i counting about something alse this is going wrong way
im try to fight with that im out..

#10: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: viCodeenLocation: Snoreway PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:31 am
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I'm not gonna comment on the weps, haven't played enough. But I'm disappointed either way.
The maps Valve has churned out in the last couple of updates has been downright shit.
That and the fact that my ping has doubled since the update. D:

#11: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Lenty PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:40 pm
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nDuser wrote (View Post):
I'm not gonna comment on the weps, haven't played enough. But I'm disappointed either way.
The maps Valve has churned out in the last couple of updates has been downright shit.
That and the fact that my ping has doubled since the update. D:

Agree. Doublecross is an instant *resign to stalemate* for half an hour and Gorge just isn't that interesting. Need a classic CP map imo with some interesting features and tactics.

#12: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: InferiorumLocation: Austria PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:25 pm
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There are just 2 things I dont like from the update.

1: The 65% explosion resistance
2: Doublecross (guess I dont like any CTF map)

everything else is great... more or less ...


Infe

PS: Now, finally, there is only one update left, the one I was waiting for since the first class update (medic?)

#13: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: MadLag PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:04 pm
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well the demo spam now is just totally overpowered only way to take them down is close combat or bullet in the head :/ btw how can u guys cry about direct hit ? only good thing this weapon has to offer is mini crit but still this is just not enough to make it even close to old rocket launcher -_-

btw theere should be lower demo limit (2 ? ) at current point its just sucky when 4 demos can pwn whole team sitting behind the wall without taking any bigger dmg (soldier or other demos dont do much dmg while heavy and sniper cant even get close to get good shoot ; / )

#14: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: viCodeenLocation: Snoreway PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:35 pm
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Lenty wrote (View Post):
nDuser wrote (View Post):
I'm not gonna comment on the weps, haven't played enough. But I'm disappointed either way.
The maps Valve has churned out in the last couple of updates has been downright shit.
That and the fact that my ping has doubled since the update. D:

Agree. Doublecross is an instant *resign to stalemate* for half an hour and Gorge just isn't that interesting. Need a classic CP map imo with some interesting features and tactics.


Can bet your ass that these maps will get there playtime as well, concidering the fact that most of the people on the THG servers have horrid taste for maps(Kidding, kidding=D)

Btw. is the ping issue still current? Want to pleh. =(

#15: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: MANBEARPIG PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:21 pm
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Precizion wrote (View Post):
I would say the problem is not with the unlocks, its with everyone wanting to play demo and soldier at the moment.


I totally agree.
As a (compared to you guys) new player it's difficult enough to get something going with classes despite Demo, Soldier and Pyro but with the update playing other classes despite Soldier and Demo has become a lot tougher (at least for me).
I'm sticking with the Spy atm and it always has been tricky to get trough the enemy lines, but with 4 Demos and 4 Soldiers spamming the shit out of you it's just an instant fail.
There are maps where I do have enough alternativ routes ofc, but most of the time I don't get hunted down by some raging medic but by random rockets and grenades killing me from nowhere.
I hope people will go back to their original classes soon...

#16: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: RipCurlLocation: Germany PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:51 pm
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Precizion wrote (View Post):
I'd suggest lowering the class limit to 3 and see how that goes.



Yes please.

#17: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: toomtoomLocation: Edinburgh PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:26 pm
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meh... always with an update servers need time to settle down. There's something about the soldier/demo saturation that makes games really annoying though - even before any new items came out I was getting pissed off :/

#18: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: viCodeenLocation: Snoreway PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:58 am
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I love the new rocketlauncher. <3

#19: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Luke PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:46 am
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RipCurl wrote (View Post):
Precizion wrote (View Post):
I'd suggest lowering the class limit to 3 and see how that goes.



Yes please.


I also suggest putting the scout limit to zero Razz

#20: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: SuperTimo PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:07 am
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Zero sounds a bit too high  Razz

#21: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: RipCurlLocation: Germany PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:38 pm
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Luke wrote (View Post):
RipCurl wrote (View Post):
Precizion wrote (View Post):
I'd suggest lowering the class limit to 3 and see how that goes.



Yes please.


I also suggest putting the scout limit to zero Razz


-scouts
+spy

#22: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: carlos PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:29 pm
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Something for when tf2 gets on ya tits Smile (found)

Automated Ragequitter
INTSRUCTIONS
one installed, press o ingame, and you will dissapear in a puff of rage. If you want to change the message or the button, simply change them in the script.
Script Code:

Alias Ragequit "say Fuck you all; wait 25; explode; wait 25; exit"
Bind "o" Ragequit


As a recommendation, using the "explode" command in the script at the beginning, it makes things a bit more funny, especially if you are around a bunch of people at the time.

#23: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: slateLocation: Germany PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:09 pm
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doesnt work on thg as wait isnt allowed Wink

#24: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: druid PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:16 pm
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things will change as soon as ppl stop spamming nades/ rockets.. 1 well placed sg wont have any problems with charging demo.. DirectHit is different issue.. makes poor pyros live proper misery.. :/

#25: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: carlos PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:05 pm
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slate wrote (View Post):
doesnt work on thg as wait isnt allowed Wink

Sad yep sorry should have knowen that  Embarassed

#26: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: RipCurlLocation: Germany PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:57 pm
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Just wanted to say that in my opinion things are going back to good old days.
I belive that many ppl doesnt know how to use the sword from demo and the dh from solly, so they go back to their normal class.

In 1-2 weeks tf2 will be cool and funny as before :-)

greetz
-rip Smile

#27: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: AMT PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:27 pm
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I agree with rip, in the last 2 days things settled down a bit, but still once in a while you will face those noobs with swords.

#28: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: FrankyLocation: Vienna PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:08 am
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limit the classes! ;))))

#29: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: RipCurlLocation: Germany PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:13 pm
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already done.
I think that limit to 4 each class seems to be OK!

#30: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: viCodeenLocation: Snoreway PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:30 am
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Things are slowly getting back to the way they used to.  Smile
Still think the demo limit should be three though.

#31: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: SuperTimo PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:52 pm
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Yeah, the couple of days I managed to play now didn't seem that bad anymore. I like the new sword and shield demos. They're fun to play occasionally, and if they start to annoy you, just switch to heavy and see how well that wooden targe stops bullets  Razz But the direct hit is kinda annoying...

#32: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: carlos PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:43 pm
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I agree when i first see it all and as i started this thread it seem the game may have gone tits up,but it seems everyone has dwindled back to the old beloved classes,had a good clean not so spammy game this morning Smile

#33: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Stick PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:22 pm
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I have to say, it has been a bit jarring with the class spam and the new "dynamics". Then again, previous update-manias annoyed me more. (Being the lone airblast Pyro fighting the horde of 225hp Back Frontal-assault-burners; not to mention having a perfect triple-Medic offense get pulverized by uber-stunning Sandmen.)

May have said so before, but the Demo toys, I like. Using and fighting against. ("Hey, Mr Demoman? Sgt Soldier? Welcome to the life of the rest of the classes. You now have a hard and a medium-to-soft counter. Go ask the Spies how they cope with the existance of Pyros. Ask the Heavies about... almost anything. Eeetcetera.")

It's just... bears saying again... it's a bit grrrrrrrrrrrrrnargh that the only real counter to the Demoman is another bloody kind of Demoman.

The Soldier stuff... I'm with Druid on the Direct Hit. It completely screws over the Pyro vs Soldier dynamic. ("Just get some airblasting skills? Sadly, there's a lack of friggin' Jedi Masters to teach the ones I need. You show me how to consistently catch projectiles moving at near-Huntsman speed.") Also, free kills on anyone who happens to be jumping? Like people have been circumstantially brainwashed to do in shooters since dinosaurs roamed the forums? That's just cruel.

Furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed. And by Carthage, I mean that abominable inaccurately-named piece of utter cheese called the "Equalizer".

Ok, rage-meter depleted. I'm good. See you in the actual game.

#34: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: SandZ PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:31 pm
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Targe makes me rage; it is the only thing which has ever annoyed me about TF2. It encourages mindless spam for the most part, plus as a solider trying to kill a demo with the Targe is stupidly difficult against a good player. 4 direct rocks should kill a demo no prob, not with the Targe, and I end up with my head chopped off!

#35: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: SuperTimo PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:35 pm
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There's just one answer to the Targe: Go heavy and shoot the bastard full of tiny little holes...

#36: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: FrankyLocation: Vienna PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:29 pm
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:roll:

#37: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: Calin PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:46 pm
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SuperTimo wrote (View Post):
There's just one answer to the Targe: Go heavy and shoot the bastard full of tiny little holes...
works most of the time, it really does.

#38: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: AMT PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:13 pm
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Pyro works great against Targe.

#39: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: SuperTimo PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:49 pm
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Airblasting them is fun, yeah Smile Annoying as hell  Razz

#40: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: scoobiesnax PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:40 pm
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You know what, if it wasn't for the new update I dont think I would have ever tried soldier out.  Yes the targe and sword thingy are annoying when on the receiving end but all in all its all god fun still.

Just wish I could play more with the missus being so demanding of my bloody time!!!  Crying or Very sad

#41: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: MrBungleLocation: Oslo, Norway PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:21 pm
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the main problem for me in tf2 right now is that i left my mouse at dad's place on the other side of the country, so im stuck with a shitty mouse that is really hard to aim with Razz
ive also noticed that the skill level on the server isnt very high nowadays. i guess some of the regs are still on holiday and doing stuff in real life.

#42: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: RipCurlLocation: Germany PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:27 pm
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real life? what is that again? Smile

#43: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: viCodeenLocation: Snoreway PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:23 am
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Calin wrote (View Post):
SuperTimo wrote (View Post):
There's just one answer to the Targe: Go heavy and shoot the bastard full of tiny little holes...
works most of the time, it really does.


Indeed it does.
No matter how fast that demo runs once you pull out the big gun you stop him dead in his tracks.
Haven't tried airblasting yet. I'm so useless as a pyro as I find it more fun just to bounce people up in the air, than actually killing them.

#44: No icon Re: Not sure i enjoy tf2 anymore Sad Author: JoshSpeed PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:36 pm
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*takes out a lighter
no flame ? DAMMIT
yea the balance i dont know it dosent feel the same as it was the game has changed so much it dosent feel the same



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