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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:45 am Post subject: No icon Test Server, details here! - Test completed Reply with quote

Right the TEST/NEW server is up! as promised ;)

!!!WHAT WE NEED TODO!!!

we need to test this server out and if its ok we will swap it for our main server and slowly move #2 as well.

The new #1 TEST Ip is: 195.122.135.162:27015 - Will be shut down on May-01-2013 if we don't think its good enough. But it should be just fine.

!!What else we must/need todo!!
i have not got much time to spread the word, so i need admins to make announcements and just spread the word all over the weekend/week new ip etc join now!

We must get everyone on this new server! i will be disabling joining the old server! so we will need to make everyone aware of the new ip as much as possible, steam announcements bumps of this thread or shall we create another just for this ;/

Right setting the server up now!  :wink:

EDIT: I have no FTP access atm so can not transfer any of our files :<, I have opened a ticket and hopefully they will fix it fast as i have stuff todo :<... I will NOT be transferring any custom maps ATM, we only need to test the running ability/pings/network of the server if its good will move it all over Wink.. As well as i will update all plugins and maybe use newer alternatives for some of them! helping to be more stable Wink


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:05 am Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server Here: IP 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

I managed to get sorcemod installed and admins added via there cpanel, however still no FTP yet so map votes and other things may not work yet, But admin will do Wink..

I will set it up more a little later we need a steam anoucment up! with the new test server ip details and explaining why we are testing it and to add the server. If another admin can do that would be great else ill do it when i get back as i have to go out now :<.

Not sure if i should cut the slots on the old ip! yet? as the new ip is not fully ready but still would play on map rotation with the default SM plugins in place for admin use etc what we think..  Confused
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:34 am Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server Here: IP 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

Will try and pop on this weekend Smile

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Nice work binks. I should be on it tonight to give it a go.

I'll spread the word regarding the new IP!  Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:14 pm Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server Here: IP 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

cool thanks binks :)

Note to myself and so i can keep an eye on how it is going i will edit with more info as time goes by :)

 new ip just myself on 32 ping

 1    <1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  BThomehub.home [192.168.1.254]
 2    16 ms    15 ms    15 ms  217.32.145.8
 3    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  217.32.145.62
 4    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  213.120.181.190
 5    22 ms    22 ms    23 ms  217.41.169.223
 6    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  217.41.169.109
 7    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  109.159.251.235
 8    38 ms    41 ms    37 ms  core2-te0-3-0-13.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.2
51.37]
 9    30 ms    67 ms    29 ms  transit2-xe1-1-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [62.6.200.
142]
10    32 ms    56 ms    31 ms  t2c4-xe-9-2-0.uk-eal.eu.bt.net [166.49.168.57]
11    34 ms    33 ms    32 ms  xe-9-0-0.edge4.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.1
33]
12    44 ms    41 ms    42 ms  ae-3-3.ebr1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.141.189]
13    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  vlan102.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.143.90]
14    39 ms    39 ms    40 ms  ae-21-21.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.148.18
6]
15    41 ms    42 ms    42 ms  ae-92-92.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.140.30
]
16     *      235 ms     *     ae-41-90.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.19
5]
17    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  CHOOPA-LLC.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [212.162.4
7.254]
18    40 ms    39 ms    38 ms  195.122.135.162

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    old ip just myself one 29 ping

 1    <1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  BThomehub.home [192.168.1.254]
 2    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  217.32.145.8
 3    15 ms    16 ms    15 ms  217.32.145.62
 4    21 ms    23 ms    21 ms  213.120.181.230
 5    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  217.41.169.223
 6    23 ms    22 ms    36 ms  217.41.169.109
 7    22 ms    57 ms    21 ms  109.159.251.241
 8    36 ms    31 ms    31 ms  core2-te-0-13-0-13.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159
.251.175]
 9    31 ms    30 ms    27 ms  transit2-xe11-1-0.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.1
7.194]
10    30 ms    31 ms    30 ms  t2c4-xe-9-3-0.uk-eal.eu.bt.net [166.49.168.61]
11    32 ms    31 ms    31 ms  xe-9-0-0.edge4.London2.Level3.net [212.187.201.1
33]
12    29 ms    32 ms    32 ms  ae-3-3.ebr1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.141.189]
13    30 ms    31 ms    31 ms  ae-58-113.csw1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.122]

14    35 ms     *       31 ms  ae-1-51.edge4.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.74]
15    27 ms    29 ms    27 ms  195.50.122.154
16    29 ms    29 ms    29 ms  217.163.24.100

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Not sure it will help much as we are still going though the issue area edge4.London2.Level3.net Sad  i will do some more when peeps are on and keep an eye on how the game is for others.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:49 pm Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server Here: IP 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

Yeah i did mention on mumble it would probable use the same hops on the way out of the uk through London :<.. lets see anyway else we will have to move host and or get sandz to rescue us lol
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:40 pm Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server Here: IP 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

A few less hops for me, but good pings so far

Tracing route to 195.122.135.162 over a maximum of 30 hops

 1    35 ms    33 ms     7 ms  cpc5-sgyl36-2-0-gw.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com [8
0.193.152.1]
 2    10 ms     7 ms     7 ms  sgyl-geam-1b-ge312.network.virginmedia.net [62.2
52.41.241]
 3     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  sgyl-core-2b-ae2-0.network.virginmedia.net [195.
182.178.94]
 4    12 ms    92 ms    28 ms  leed-bb-1b-ae5-0.network.virginmedia.net [81.97.
48.81]
 5    24 ms    28 ms    26 ms  Lag4.ar9.LON3.gblx.net [64.214.128.37]
 6    25 ms    27 ms    23 ms  4.68.110.157
 7     *       29 ms    30 ms  vl-3602-ve-226.csw2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.166
.149]
 8    30 ms    31 ms    31 ms  ae-59-224.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.153.141]

 9    34 ms    28 ms    31 ms  ae-21-21.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.148.18
6]
10    33 ms    39 ms    31 ms  ae-82-82.csw3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.140.26
]
11    78 ms    36 ms    30 ms  ae-31-80.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.154.13
1]
12    31 ms    40 ms   378 ms  CHOOPA-LLC.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [212.162.4
7.254]
13    29 ms    31 ms    32 ms  195.122.135.162

Trace complete.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server Here: IP 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

ok seems all well but without a cap on the old #1 it will be imposable to keep filled saying that i don't like the fact we still go though this edge4.London2.Level3.net as thats what fucks us up

And it really is hit or miss with it as you know it can play well for weeks then go really tits up so not sure if the ip change to the same host really makes alot of sense.

 I don't really think as an all rounder it will make the difference to warrant the ip change, a new host maybe but i can see what is going to happen here, same shit different week maybe.

 So at the mo change host or don't change at all.



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:17 pm Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server IP: 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

Yeah i agree in some respects, and i also mentioned this before! the only real way out is a dedi. That's it cos almost all server hosts use London, not Maidenhead or Milton Keynes which are much better alternatives. But in another way for the little spurts that all servers have, i say this as its a 100% fact you can not get a server! that will not have an issue or lagg at some point.

Which is why i also don't think the ip change will work out how we are expecting it to "specially after seeing the similar route ;/", and neither do i 100% think a new host would as it will have its times.

Anyway we can still test this server out for free untill May-01-2013 when it will be gone unless we want to keep it. And as its not a 100% swap of IP yet i don't see why we should cap the main server with all in mind, since we may be reverting and using other options.

I am trying to get hold of THG Sandz hoping we can sort the servers out on his dedi box, for us to use on a perm basis, so we could just wait in hope and if not ill look for another host and we will have to move IP 100%. which again is not guarantied.

Just keep playing the TEST server as much possible as we need more feedback, at the same time take in what Carlos said about it not warranting a new ip as the route just looks the same, which sorta means it will play up at some point, you would have thought ;/ "all servers do have there times though!"

Let me know what you all think we should do time next weekend please, else we might not even get that ip and it be a totally different lol.

ALl admins should use the steam announcements or event is best to get people on the new ip for more testing Wink and deffo let me know please By next sat 27th the very latest,
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:45 am Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server IP: 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

I played on the server yesterday evening, and some people from the UK still had high pings. The server seemed fine for other players. My ping, for example, was between 16 and 30. But for some it was consistently >110, and for some it would peak and drop again. I checked, and asked some of the players if their problem was with all TF2 servers or just with ours. Just ours... So I'm thinking, how come these UK players can play fine on most other TF2 servers? Could it be a routing problem that our hosting provider has, and other hosting providers don't have? Hemsk told me a bit about how they were having a similar problem on hampshireheavies, and it was solved with a switch to a german hosting provider i believe. Don't know the details, may have to ask Hemsk for those.

It doesn't seem to be related to just TF2 either. Aeryn was on tf2 and mumble yesterday, and when her ping went up in-game, we got a nice impression of what a robot with an oxford accent would sound like.

I also just tried some pings to the .London1.Level3.net servers that were mentioned in the traceroutes above. They all return normal values for me (+/- 20 ms, no packetloss). Could just be the time of day, so I'll try again later this evening. Can't really find any reported outages on level3.net.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:15 am Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server IP: 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

As Schaap said, Test server is no different from old #1 server.

HH did indeed move host last year, to OVH.net i believe in France. Cut and paste..

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ping 188.165.220.57

However! Unless i am mistaken, THG are not looking to completely move all its services to a new host? I must confess to be almost totally clueless when it comes to the tech side of things and indeed i wish i had kept my mouth shut in mumble:P
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Haha no worries Hemsk. I'm just grabbing at straws because the problem is so annoying and I'm afraid we'll lose regulars because of it.
A traceroute from NL to that ip adress doesn't go through level3.net, but through another peer. It's less hops for me than to our new THG #1 ip (9 versus 13), and less hops = better.

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traceroute to 188.165.220.57 (188.165.220.57), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  0.727 ms  0.933 ms  1.120 ms
 2  xxxx.dynamic.ziggo.nl (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx)  21.340 ms  21.444 ms  21.539 ms
 3  ssh-rc0004-ds101-vl221.core.as9143.net (213.51.169.161)  20.342 ms  20.652 ms  21.103 ms
 4  gv-rc0011-cr101-ae14-0.core.as9143.net (213.51.158.175)  20.498 ms  20.739 ms  20.825 ms
 5  asd-lc0006-cr101-ae8-0.core.as9143.net (213.51.158.12)  21.827 ms  21.685 ms  21.909 ms
 6  * * amsix.routers.ovh.net (195.69.145.231)  11.152 ms
 7  rbx-g1-a9.fr.eu (178.33.100.224)  17.004 ms  17.207 ms  17.111 ms
 8  vss-4-6k.fr.eu (94.23.122.160)  16.712 ms vss-4-6k.fr.eu (91.121.131.162)  20.118 ms *
 9  ks212501.kimsufi.com (188.165.220.57)  20.751 ms  20.389 ms  20.486 ms


What does a traceroute to that IP look like from the UK, preferably from someone who's had problems?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject: No icon Re: NOTE: NEW #1 Test Server IP: 195.122.135.162:27015 Reply with quote

The new test server seems A ok for lag issues but as schapp said pings for us in the uk seem to have doubled or tripled with some of us, i was getting between 20-35 ping at peak times on old #1 now its 40+ on new test server. All in all lag issues are gone not like they used to be Sad but lag is expected on any sever i guess. keep up the good work guys  Very Happy
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yes aerybot was on form last night  Confused have to say it was worse for me on the test server last night, and another reg said her pings were higher as well. see what happens tonight, tbh if this is how the new server will be i am not sure it is worth keeping, but that is just my thoughts.
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well have to say was a much better time on this one tonight and i think that was for everyone so guess more input from others?
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